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IT growth and global change: A conversation with Ray Kurzweil

The inventor, businessman, and author explains how the exponential growth of technologies will transform industries and pose new opportunities—and hurdles—for business and society.

Every executive recognizes the fast pace of technological development but grapples with the billion-dollar question: what happens next, and when? Ray Kurzweil has precise answers based on his thesis that information technology will continue to develop exponentially, leading to a not-so-distant future when artificial intelligence dominates our daily lives, genes can be reprogrammed away from cancer, and solar power can provide the world with all the energy it needs.

Some observers describe Kurzweil’s predictions as science fiction, and some academics question his underlying thesis. Yet the well-argued theories of this best-selling author, serial inventor, and recipient of honors (from three US presidents) have not gone ignored. Kurzweil not only has a growing band of followers among technology executives but also has advised the US Army on responses to biological terrorism and the US and Israeli governments on renewable energy.

Kurzweil spoke with McKinsey Publishing’s Lars Föyen about the basis for his predictions, how industries will change when they come to pass, and the double-edged nature of his vision.

Watch the conversation in our video interactive, or download a PDF of the transcript.

IT growth and global change: A conversation with Ray Kurzweil
The inventor, businessman, and author explains how the exponential growth of technologies will transform industries and pose new opportunities—and hurdles—for business and society.
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  • 24 FEBRUARY 2011
    Albert Luongo
    Physician Assistant
    Internal Medicine
    Newtown, CT USA

    I would be interested to hear what Kurzweil says about technology and healthcare management....

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    Albert Luongo
    Physician Assistant
    Internal Medicine
    Newtown, CT USA

    I would be interested to hear what Kurzweil says about technology and healthcare management. Although medical testing and treatment has become so sophisticated, there has not been much improvement in morbidity and mortality outcomes in the US. I guess this proves that other forces in our technologically advanced country are at play...

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  • 18 FEBRUARY 2011
    Ron V
    Belgium

    ...technology absolutely can help solve a lot of issues, and I am truly grateful for many insightful inventions! What I disagree with, is that technologists, like Kurzweil, reduce each and every issue to a technological issue....

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    Ron V
    Belgium

    I believe technology absolutely can help solve a lot of issues, and I am truly grateful for many insightful inventions! What I disagree with, is that technologists, like Kurzweil, reduce each and every issue to a technological issue. They subsequently claim that—because it is now a technological issue—someone, someday in the not-too-distant future will come along and invent a new technology that solves the issue.

    In my opnion this ignores 3 basic aspects:
    1. Not every issue is a technological issue. cfr. the recent popular uprisings in the Middle East, the increasing divide between the rich and the poor, the legacy of past irresponsible actions (Bhopal, Tsjernobil, the Gulf oil spill,...)
    2. The issues that are technological may not be resolved in an acceptable time frame, simply because the technological knowledge necessary to do so, might not be even remotely existing or sufficient yet, e.g. nuclear fusion.
    3. Nearly every technology that is invented to solve a specific problem, in turn creates another problem, e.g. nuclear waste, landfills with e-waste, CO (electric cars still need to get their electricity generated somewhere, mostly in a polluting fuel plant), industrial food production, mass-antibiotics for poultry or cattle, mass-spraying of insecticides, etcetera.

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  • 17 FEBRUARY 2011
    Jeroen Van der Schot
    Software Architect manager
    IBM
    Lyon, France

    To get a taste of how close IT is to human reasoning, take a look at IBM’s Watson....

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    Jeroen Van der Schot
    Software Architect manager
    IBM
    Lyon, France

    To get a taste of how close IT is to human reasoning, take a look at IBM’s Watson. If it progresses exponentially, we may not need to wait until the late 2020’s to witness the human-level intelligence in a machine that Mr. Kurzweil envisions.

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  • 5 FEBRUARY 2011
    Dean Loomis
    Chief
    Metanet Research
    Cypress, TX USA

    Kurzweil is profoundly optimistic, but he insists on ignoring certain mathematical facts in opposition to ever-increasing rates of growth....

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    Dean Loomis
    Chief
    Metanet Research
    Cypress, TX USA

    Kurzweil is profoundly optimistic, but he insists on ignoring certain mathematical facts in opposition to ever-increasing rates of growth. As systems grow more complex, they suffer from “combinatorial slowdown” which makes it exponentially more difficult to sustain the same rate of growth. In information technology, this is manifested in the slogan “what Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away.” Our computers are still as annoyingly slow as ever. Even without the burden of complexity, naturally growing systems always encounter one or more of a myriad of limits, which convert their exponential growth function to a logistic function that incrementally slows down after reaching a peak growth rate. We are already seeing CPU clock rates stop increasing, because it has become too difficult to dissipate the heat that CPUs produce as they move bits around. Few people anticipated this limit as they predicted the continuation of Moore’s law into the indefinite future.

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  • 1 FEBRUARY 2011
    Shashank Tilak
    CEO
    Vainateya Software Consultancy Pvt Ltd
    Mumbai India

    ...The end result of all this is just the manifestation of gluttony or materialism gone unbounded....

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    Shashank Tilak
    CEO
    Vainateya Software Consultancy Pvt Ltd
    Mumbai India

    Actually, the biggest enabler and change with IT and overall human life styles will really be with integration of human perceptions with a large “Matrix” so to say.

    All the other inputs described here—about solar energy, devices, and information processing are all external to human behaviour and life style. They are all important but they assume that human desires and needs, and our wish to keep on consuming things, will also increase only linearly. Actually the human desires will not just increase exponentially, they will possibly be increasing logarithmically—with a base lot more than just two assumed here.

    The end result of all this is just the manifestation of gluttony or materialism gone unbounded. We are currently just seeing this unfold over large populations in this world. Once this really catches on, the situation will really be uncontrollable.

    Even currently there are some researchers working to simulate our feelings and experiences with bits and bytes fed into our brains. Virtual reality is just one simpleset manifestation of it all.

    When this really expands, logarithmicallly, it will be possible to ‘experience’ everything from taste, smell, or tactile senses that are currently outside our real experiences. Visual and auditory experiences are already old hat.

    If (or rather when) this happens, all our current needs of physical movements, food, drink, or all the biological needs will be met only with a fraction of overall effort, material, and costs.

    In that situation, there will really be no need for any travel, physical movement, business, or even education. Any individual will get all end results of what all humans crave for by getting just plugged into this “matrix.”

    Is that scary? Yes, it may be, but the other alternative is even more terrrifying—with major issues of sustainability, global warming, and all the other ills facing the world today.

    It is just a matter of time and well-coordinated effort, but this reality should be much more welcome in today’s gloomy world.

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  • 1 FEBRUARY 2011
    Pradeep Sinha
    proprietor
    Bodhi
    India

    We are making machines to mimic us, soon it seems we will be mimicking the machines. Who knows—the human brain (mind) may also take a exponential leap....

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    Pradeep Sinha
    proprietor
    Bodhi
    India

    We are making machines to mimic us, soon it seems we will be mimicking the machines. Who knows—the human brain (mind) may also take a exponential leap. It may be worth while to look around to see if there is something happening in this area. Any ideas on where to start?

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  • 1 FEBRUARY 2011
    Bernd Nurnberger
    Compliance and Ethics Officer
    TUV Rheinland Japan Ltd.
    Yokohama, Japan

    ...In this interview, Kurzweil does not mention two energy sources within reach of current technologies and budgets, and nearly as inexhaustible as solar, yet available on a more user-friendly schedule: geothermal and tidal energy.

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    Bernd Nurnberger
    Compliance and Ethics Officer
    TUV Rheinland Japan Ltd.
    Yokohama, Japan

    Thank you for these insights, and for correcting a popular mis-perception about the exponential progress of technologies. Easy to remember: at half-time, around 1% is right on schedule; seven more doublings, we will be there.

    As for energy technologies, solar may indeed cover current needs of ours, but what if our demand grows exponentially, too? Kurzweil mentions one of two key technologies that act as constraints in the solar scenario: storage. The other one is transmission. For each, progress follows its own time scale. For storage, we may soon use electric vehicles, but we will pay significant losses, with current technology. Transmission technology needs to improve—faster than our energy demand—to make desert solar power viable. For now, decentralized energy supplies appear more attractive.

    In this interview, Kurzweil does not mention two energy sources within reach of current technologies and budgets, and nearly as inexhaustible as solar, yet available on a more user-friendly schedule: geothermal and tidal energy.

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